2007/05/18 16:12:51 siebo: microphone check
2007/05/18 16:14:52 inzan: hey!
2007/05/18 16:15:03 inzan: that's pretty cool actually
2007/05/18 16:15:06 siebo: inzan :)
2007/05/18 16:15:14 inzan: PloneChat?
2007/05/18 16:15:46 siebo: yep
2007/05/18 16:15:56 siebo: Vance!
2007/05/18 16:16:04 vance: So, this is PloneChat?
2007/05/18 16:16:09 vance: Can you see me?
2007/05/18 16:16:15 siebo: yep
2007/05/18 16:16:28 vance: This is extremely cool! I LOVE this....
2007/05/18 16:16:39 siebo: Bob, I was just talking to Vance about the blog view
2007/05/18 16:16:52 siebo: Vance, we can include this as part of workspaces
2007/05/18 16:17:02 vance: And I also like that the Right NAVs are viewable, so if we wanted to chat about something in a folder or linked (via a favorite" we could see it? Right?
2007/05/18 16:17:26 vance: This is what I thought would be in Phase 2 of Workspaces, so I am very pleased!
2007/05/18 16:17:27 siebo: yes, though it would navigate you out of the chat...
2007/05/18 16:17:56 siebo: I thought this might fix our 3-way chat issue :)
2007/05/18 16:18:08 inzan: it's a great idea
2007/05/18 16:18:29 vance: Ah, well we can work on that. Maybe for a NSW 'rule" we could say something that says....If you are in CHAT, the resources opens in a new window? (If possible, we can do this later....after the show.)
2007/05/18 16:18:44 siebo: that's possible
2007/05/18 16:18:45 vance: That way maybe you don't get poppped out of CHAT.
2007/05/18 16:18:51 siebo: right
2007/05/18 16:19:06 vance: Wow, this is super-cool. Bob, what do you think?
2007/05/18 16:19:15 vance: Are there Plone sites out tehre using PloneChat yet?
2007/05/18 16:19:30 siebo: I know a few enviro sites who are using it
2007/05/18 16:19:42 siebo: oftentimes their boardmembers don't have IM installed
2007/05/18 16:19:54 siebo: so they can just log into the site and have a web-meeting
2007/05/18 16:20:03 vance: I like it!
2007/05/18 16:20:11 inzan: I think it's great
2007/05/18 16:20:18 siebo: I think they are also using it to save the logs somewhere
2007/05/18 16:20:29 siebo: which is one of the things I like about having meetings on IM/IRC
2007/05/18 16:20:31 inzan: I'd tried it out a long time ago and it wasn't this well done
2007/05/18 16:20:41 siebo: is that you can go back to the logs to remember what was said
2007/05/18 16:21:03 inzan: that is a very useful feature
2007/05/18 16:21:25 vance: This is cool.
2007/05/18 16:22:01 siebo: all AJAX too, no Java as far as I can see
2007/05/18 16:23:02 vance: This is Ajax?
2007/05/18 16:23:05 vance: Now?
2007/05/18 16:23:35 siebo: yes, it's standalone AJAX, outside of the KSS framework
2007/05/18 16:23:52 siebo: I'd guess that a future version would build more towards Plone's standard KSS libraries
2007/05/18 16:24:12 siebo: but ingeniweb is always doing their own thing rather than waiting
2007/05/18 16:24:19 siebo: some of their products are good
2007/05/18 16:24:24 siebo: others are so-so
2007/05/18 16:25:11 vance: Hpow much CPU does this take?
2007/05/18 16:25:46 siebo: I don't know, haven't benchmarked it
2007/05/18 16:25:50 siebo: should be pretty light
2007/05/18 16:25:57 vance: Heee... Well, it works well for 3 people?
2007/05/18 16:25:58 siebo: but I don't know how it would scale
2007/05/18 16:26:35 siebo: we could do something like start 10 chats and use selinium to put them under load
2007/05/18 16:26:44 vance: We'll have to benchmark at some point...
2007/05/18 16:26:46 siebo: and then check our CPU usage before/during
2007/05/18 16:26:52 siebo: of course :)
2007/05/18 16:27:04 vance: Right. I also have some more NEWS! Ready?
2007/05/18 16:27:10 siebo: so, wrt to the blog features, sounds like we're all good
2007/05/18 16:27:16 siebo: yes, more news?
2007/05/18 16:27:31 vance: We are going to launch NANO TV at Nanotech 2007!!!
2007/05/18 16:27:52 vance: This will be like SlideCast, except the destination URL will be at a diferent serevr.
2007/05/18 16:28:15 inzan: cool!
2007/05/18 16:28:21 siebo: Wow!!!
2007/05/18 16:28:36 siebo: Video?
2007/05/18 16:28:38 vance: We will be getting the URL info tonight....and we will be using one of our Home page content types to put this on the Front Page, and let people click through
2007/05/18 16:28:50 siebo: recording some of the presentations at the conference?
2007/05/18 16:29:01 vance: Ywah, we have both LIVE video and PLAYBACK capabilitiues from this new hosting sponsor...
2007/05/18 16:29:47 vance: I think we should have the "click" activate a new window pop-up!
2007/05/18 16:30:03 inzan: looking forward to checking it out
2007/05/18 16:30:09 vance: so we don't loose the connection
2007/05/18 16:30:11 siebo: excellent
2007/05/18 16:30:27 siebo: we are really going right to the top of the nano/media community!
2007/05/18 16:30:41 vance: Or we'll go out in flames!!!
2007/05/18 16:30:45 vance: ;)
2007/05/18 16:30:56 vance: At least this is never boring....
2007/05/18 16:31:32 vance: So, we'll have URL info and set up like SlideCasting, I guess, as soon as I get a sample video and a destinantion URL. How does that sound David?
2007/05/18 16:32:42 vance: hello anyone?!?
2007/05/18 16:33:02 siebo: still here...
2007/05/18 16:33:03 inzan: sounds reasonable to me :)
2007/05/18 16:33:19 siebo: sounds fine, no prob
2007/05/18 16:33:24 vance: OK..... good. Does that work?
2007/05/18 16:33:40 vance: Not sure how you did SlideCasts, so wanted to make sure you'd have enough.
2007/05/18 16:33:44 vance: Good.
2007/05/18 16:34:03 vance: Now, let's get back to Workspaces... Do you both have the info you need to flesh that out?
2007/05/18 16:34:30 siebo: I think so, at least to jam on it for a few hours
2007/05/18 16:34:32 vance: This is soooo cool, chatting on NSW.
2007/05/18 16:34:33 siebo: and then reconnect
2007/05/18 16:34:45 inzan: I started in on something very simple
2007/05/18 16:35:15 vance: OK, just so I can visualize. Is the approach a plug-in or different content types or Blogger add-in or what?
2007/05/18 16:35:16 inzan: looking for url...
2007/05/18 16:35:32 vance: OK
2007/05/18 16:35:33 inzan: is this kind of the idea - http://nanoscienceworks.org/Members/inzan/workspace-dashboard/
2007/05/18 16:36:00 inzan: I mean not necessarily the UI
2007/05/18 16:36:05 vance: xx
2007/05/18 16:36:13 inzan: llike a spruced up version of that?
2007/05/18 16:36:48 vance: Having trouble selelcting just the URL in PloneChat. It wants to capture the whole conversation, but I'll get it.
2007/05/18 16:36:55 siebo: yes, same here
2007/05/18 16:37:04 siebo: it seems to try to select the whole window
2007/05/18 16:37:15 vance: yes, that's my problem too.
2007/05/18 16:37:17 inzan: i can email it
2007/05/18 16:37:53 vance: But what's funny is that if I just go to Bob's post (in the timestamp area) it appears that it wouild let me capture his post only -- but not only the URL.
2007/05/18 16:38:26 inzan: looks like a new feature we may want to implement in PloneChat
2007/05/18 16:38:36 vance: Right!
2007/05/18 16:38:41 inzan: clickable URLs that open in a new window
2007/05/18 16:38:48 vance: Right.
2007/05/18 16:38:48 inzan: i emailed the link
2007/05/18 16:38:53 siebo: I think the frequent DOM manipulation bay disrupt the copy
2007/05/18 16:38:55 vance: Thanks I was just about to ask...
2007/05/18 16:39:01 siebo: as I can select for a split second
2007/05/18 16:39:12 siebo: but I think the XmlHttpRequest kills it
2007/05/18 16:39:47 siebo: I'm getting the rest of that icon set now
2007/05/18 16:39:55 siebo: to spice up the buttons
2007/05/18 16:40:00 vance: retriving your email Bob now
2007/05/18 16:40:04 vance: I had logged off
2007/05/18 16:40:14 inzan: The page itself is not much to look at
2007/05/18 16:40:26 siebo: can you still see the chat history?
2007/05/18 16:40:28 inzan: just trying to get an idea if it's the right direction
2007/05/18 16:40:33 inzan: yes
2007/05/18 16:43:10 vance: still opening email...sry for the delay
2007/05/18 16:48:57 siebo: one downside to this browser based chat is that there's no noises to alert one to new messages
2007/05/18 16:50:40 inzan: true - new feature for implementation :)
2007/05/18 16:54:01 vance: hello? Am I back?
2007/05/18 16:54:19 vance: I appear to be.
2007/05/18 16:55:10 siebo: you're back :)
2007/05/18 16:55:25 vance: I think that Bob's list is excellent! My suggestion would be that we add a simple graphic icon way of navigation
2007/05/18 16:55:34 inzan: yeah definitely
2007/05/18 16:55:52 inzan: also add list of things to review and things of that nature I was thinking
2007/05/18 16:56:26 inzan: e.g. if someone created a page and submitted it to you for approval it would appear on the dashboard
2007/05/18 16:56:50 vance: Bob, take us through real quick what peole shoudl be able to do... I think you and david have REALLY got it for Phase1!
2007/05/18 16:56:52 inzan: maybe even some stats re workspace activity - logins, etc
2007/05/18 16:57:17 inzan: I think there should be three portlet looking boxes at least on the dash
2007/05/18 16:57:30 inzan: one for the creating of new content like what you just saw
2007/05/18 16:57:48 vance: Yes, any way we can make look like a "dashboard" rather than a simple column of links would be very cool.
2007/05/18 16:58:02 inzan: one for the reviewing of existing content - things to review, replies to your comments or posts etc
2007/05/18 16:58:16 vance: I clciked on your blog Bob, and got a site error because I guess there is nothing linked to it.
2007/05/18 16:58:21 inzan: finally a stats portlet or something to that effect giving you some metrics
2007/05/18 16:58:42 inzan: oh yeah those links are just kind of place holders
2007/05/18 16:58:53 inzan: i think a couple of them should work
2007/05/18 16:59:03 inzan: the news one maybe?
2007/05/18 16:59:17 vance: Has David left us?
2007/05/18 16:59:22 inzan: although there may be permissions issues
2007/05/18 16:59:28 inzan: looks like he did
2007/05/18 16:59:49 inzan: maybe he got bumped
2007/05/18 17:00:17 vance: Yep, I just got a note from David on Yahoo...he'll be back soon.
2007/05/18 17:00:42 vance: Can I save this chat? (as a workgroup fucntion)
2007/05/18 17:01:26 inzan: I think so
2007/05/18 17:01:39 inzan: if you click "see the logs"
2007/05/18 17:01:42 siebo: there's a "see the logs" button
2007/05/18 17:01:49 siebo: jinx!
2007/05/18 17:01:52 siebo: :P
2007/05/18 17:01:55 inzan: doh!
2007/05/18 17:01:57 inzan: :)
2007/05/18 17:02:23 vance: Yep, so "see the logs" that is for past chats. I guess. But I am looking for the button that says SAVE CHAT.
2007/05/18 17:02:52 siebo: probably something we'd need to add
2007/05/18 17:02:57 inzan: I see - well we could add that
2007/05/18 17:02:58 siebo: or ask the product authors about
2007/05/18 17:03:06 inzan: just change the MIME type probably
2007/05/18 17:03:26 inzan: or ContentType in the response to txt or something
2007/05/18 17:03:47 vance: OK, just asking. I love this! I think being able to SAVE this as a text file
2007/05/18 17:04:31 inzan: should be doable
2007/05/18 17:04:59 vance: Cool... So, is there someting linked in back of the "blog" link yet that I should look at.
2007/05/18 17:05:20 inzan: No well for that i think that we should maybe use a Plone blog product
2007/05/18 17:05:41 inzan: though i guess it depends on exactly what functionality we're looking for
2007/05/18 17:06:02 inzan: david suggested we might be able to get away with just sticking with standard news types
2007/05/18 17:06:12 inzan: and calling it a blog essentially
2007/05/18 17:06:34 inzan: so I guess it's an open question as to how best to handle it
2007/05/18 17:06:55 inzan: though i think we're both in agreement that integrating wordpress would be a pain
2007/05/18 17:07:31 vance: OK, well I think we need to think about that abit. I think "blog" content should be separate (if possible) from NEWS. david?
2007/05/18 17:09:13 vance: David, are you here?
2007/05/18 17:11:09 siebo: one sec
2007/05/18 17:11:17 siebo: on phone w vance
2007/05/18 17:11:21 vance: OK
2007/05/18 17:11:27 siebo: christian
2007/05/18 17:11:32 siebo: rather
2007/05/18 17:11:47 vance: OK, we're here.
2007/05/18 17:13:41 siebo: yes, they are separate
2007/05/18 17:14:03 siebo: I've already got the info I need re: blog to build a proto
2007/05/18 17:14:29 inzan: ok sorry if I misunderstood and gave you bad info there Vance
2007/05/18 17:15:07 siebo: btw, christian says hello
2007/05/18 17:15:47 vance: no prob. Sorry if I was confused too. Hi Christian... he did a nice job.
2007/05/18 17:16:14 siebo: so I think we can break now and work on stuff
2007/05/18 17:16:21 siebo: and reconvene in another few hours
2007/05/18 17:16:35 vance: So, one last ??? from me. Is the "blog" in workspaces a real blog or a fake blog (reusing our article/news content type? I'm still not clear.
2007/05/18 17:16:55 siebo: how do you define real/fake?
2007/05/18 17:17:04 siebo: it is real in that it is a blog-like feed
2007/05/18 17:17:15 siebo: but it does not implement the full blogger API
2007/05/18 17:17:25 siebo: e.g. trackbacks, remote posting, etc
2007/05/18 17:17:30 vance: Hee. OK, by "fake" I guess I mean that we are "tricking" our current content types into being a blog....
2007/05/18 17:17:40 siebo: security and moderations with those anyhow
2007/05/18 17:17:54 siebo: it's not a trick
2007/05/18 17:18:02 siebo: it's the content-type you asked for...
2007/05/18 17:18:03 inzan: e.g. it won't auto-notify technorati when a new post is made
2007/05/18 17:18:09 siebo: right
2007/05/18 17:18:25 vance: Trackbacks, not necesary at this time. And, will it "scroll" or are they discrete posts st (one item on top of another in seperate cells)
2007/05/18 17:18:51 vance: That's good, because these are really "pirvate blogs..." ;) If that makes sense.
2007/05/18 17:19:09 inzan: we can easily make it look like the one view you pointed out at the plone community site
2007/05/18 17:20:12 vance: cool... yep it should look like a one page scroll and not cascading separate items. Excellent.
2007/05/18 17:20:23 vance: Well, this was great and thanks for PloneChat very cool....
2007/05/18 17:20:40 siebo: okay, see you guys in a few hours!
2007/05/18 17:20:43 vance: We ARE hot! When we connect later tonight I should have the Nano TV video info.
2007/05/18 17:20:56 siebo: I'll ping you to rally again
2007/05/18 17:20:56 vance: Many thanks all.
2007/05/18 17:21:09 siebo: or.. ping me if you've new material to discuss
2007/05/18 17:21:16 vance: sounds cool man.... wonderful stuff!
2007/05/18 17:21:17 inzan: sounds good
2007/05/18 17:21:21 siebo: inzan: see you on irc :)
2007/05/18 17:21:28 vance: bye
2007/05/18 17:21:28 inzan: k - see you there :)
2007/05/20 16:18:46 vance: hi vance
2007/05/21 11:55:03 vance: hi michael!